I count Alice Mahon as one of the finest socialists I have known. She is a good friend and comrade. In the light of Alice announcing that she has left the Labour Party I put out the following statement as Chair of the LRC.
Alice Mahon was one of the hardest working, most dedicated and principled members of Parliament in the Labour Partys entire history. The Labour leadership clique should sit-up and recognise the Labour Party has a serious problem on its hands. When someone as Labour to the core as Alice Mahon is forced to leave the Labour Party, the Labour leadership must appreciate the political catastrophe that is emerging.
Alice is a member of the LRC's National Executive Committee and will continue to campaign for socialism in this role.
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If Labour had a leadership and party machine with a fraction of the principles and integrity of people like Alice we would not be in the mess we are now.
What has happened is our party was taken over by careerist no nothings and we are now reaping what was sown.
The problem is, socialism is always rejected by the British people. They tried it in 1945, and they were so sick of it that the Tories enjoyed more than a decade in power under Churchill, Eden and Supermac. Wilson arrived, and crippled our economy. Tories back in to clean up the mess, but because they followed the same Keynesian stupidity, they couldn't solve it. Labour back in, mess it up even further, and it took the greatest peacetime PM in Britain's history to clean up the mess of nearly 40 years of socialism.
Instead of trying to adhere to some pointless utopian ideal, go and live in the real world. Hong Kong liberalised many many years ago, and it has one of the most free economies in the world, and the GDP per head in Hong Kong is higher than Britain after ten years of Blairite/Brownite social democracy.
Ludwig Von Mises completely demolished the idea that socialism is a good idea, you should read his books.
Blair had to remodel the party in order to make it electable. Michael Foot offered a very socialist manifesto in 1983, and the British public responded by giving Margaret Thatcher a huge majority and a mandate to reverse our economic decline and give us back our self respect again. Neil Kinnock couldn't get elected because Basildon man wants FREEDOM, LOW TAXES AND THE RIGHT TO SPEND HIS MONEY HOW HE WANTS.
America is the most charitable country in the world, and for many years, it partially accepted free markets. Bush was a state corporatist, as was Clinton, but charitable giving was still huge under Reagan.
Stop spouting an evil ideology. Mr McDonnell, you benefit from capitalism because you use the internet, which you pay a company to provide for you. MP's receive a very generous salaries, have you redistributed your wealth? You believe that the government should redistribute wealth, so why don't you set an example to them and redistribute your own? You claimed £135,000 last year according to theyworkforyou.com, have you redistributed that and given it to the poor? Have you nationalised your houses, or are they still the private property of yours?
Socialism = Hypocrisy
I see we have a troll on here.
So those who have differing views are dubbed trolls? That's the socialist mentality for you, they can't accept intelligent debate and must resort to debasing their opponents.
Socialist mentality can accept intelligent debate. In fact, it is welcomed. However, socialists tend to struggle when presented with debate devoid of intelligence, e.g. the suggestion that capitalism hasn't screwed us big time. What's the latest debt of this country? Hmmm, might take a bit of getting out of. Still, I'm sure that nasty socialist creation known as the Welfare State will at least try to assist where it can as people lose ther jobs, homes, etc. Mind you, hurry up before James Purnell deems everyone and anyone a benefit scrounger while the wealthy carry on avoiding paying tax.
I agree that it is very sad Alice has gone - but why didn't she resign when she was in Parliament?. It would have been far more effective, and would have hit the right target (i.e. The Labour Government, rather than the Labour Party). Yes, the Email incident was despicable, disgraceful and sleazy, but surely the Labour Government have been involved in far worse things over the last 12 years. Why didn't she resign when the Government were betraying the Working Class, destroying civil liberties and dragging Britain into American inspired conflict.
I don't know where Alice will go now. If she knows of a Socialist Party in Britain that is capable of being elected, please let me know, and I will follow.I think this resignation will just make her look a sad maverick, whose action did more to harm the Party than the Government
The difference between the welfare state and totalitarianism is only a matter of time. Socialists by nature are stupid people who wish to deviate from human nature. The only reason climate change believers are left wing is because they lost the old arguments for socialism over the free market, so they have grasped at the chance to impose some state control of the free economy. What is so bad about people offering their labor to the highest bidder, or their services. Why is it so bad to buy services or labor from whoever we choose. Look at Hong Kong. It has the freeest economy in the world, yet it has a GDP per head higher than Britain, and most of the world. THe last 30 years have brought more people out of poverty than any time in human history. 150,000,000 died under leftie rule last century. 300,000,000 have been lifted out of poverty around the world since 1980. Libertarians deal in facts. Socialists deal with obfuscation and mendacity.
America charitable? That's rich. Tell that to the American poor and to all the countries they have invaded, occupied and exploited...
Hong Kong is a dictatorship not a free country.
FDR was the greatest president the USA had and he made the USA a superpower ended a depression and won world war two. Bush and Hoover caused depressions, and turned their nation into dumps.
The USA has a worse health service than the UK.
150 million did not killed by commies in the last century, it was just under 100 million.
Remember more died under non communist rule in the last century than under communist rule. The Japanese Imperialists, the NAZIs chinese imperialists, british, French, and German empires all killed more than the commies added together. Look at WW1 no commie nations fought that.
Dirty Euro, FDR's policies worsened the Depression. His Presidency was merely a continuation of Hoover's. Hoover increased state spending by 47% over 4 years, increased the top rate of tax from 25% to 63%, and imposed harsh steel and agricultural tarriffs. FDR continued these. Yet under FDR, unemployment never fell under 14%, and even FDR's Treasury Secretary, Henry Morganthau admitted that the New Deal was a complete failure becuase it ''didn't solve the problem of unemployment, it hasn't alleviated the depression and all it has done is to add massive amounts of debt.'' The world was forced to trade because of World War 2, and they were forced to remove tarriffs and barriers. That ended the Depression. Free trade ended it, not protectionism.
150,000,000 did die under lefty rule last century. I have the lists.
And to Anonymous, have you listened to a Ron Paul speech. True free market libertarians hate the war in Iraq. Libertarians believe in personal freedom, and they don't believe in imposing a version of freedom on another country. The Austrian economists, the most free market economists ever, are opposed to war and they advocate a non interventionist foreign policy. They believe in self determination. So before you spout the usual left wing rubbish about America's ''Empire,'' get your facts right
As I said a troll who happens to be a moron.
MiniMises Unemployment in the USA was under 5% by 1941 before the USA joined the war.
Socialism is nothing to with trade barriers.
Hoover cut taxes before the depression in 1929 with Andrew Mellon, then there followed a massive depression, with 3 consecutive years of economic decline, with a 20%+ decline in the economy, then in 1932 he increased the top rate of tax, and in 1933 the economy started growing again. So it was increasing the top rate of tax that started the economy growing, and cutting it that started the depression. You are wrong.
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MiniMises you are an unwell person in the upstairs department.
Anonymous, if you think the ''Chicago Boys'' have anything to do with the Austrian School of Economics, then I suggest you look at yourself first before questioning the mental capacity of others.
And Dirty Euro, I am not wrong. Go check out ''Keynesian fallacies'' on the Cato Institute Website.
John,
Suggest you, Alice and others have a look at the links on this one, with a view to pursuing it -
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/04/nobody_can_hear.html
MiniMises
I was talking about capitalism and ALL it`s evil ways and form i.e."Austrian School of Economics"
MiniMises you are an unwell person in the upstairs department.
MiniMises
Socialism or Barbarism.There is no other way.
Socialism or Thatcherism or better still Cameronism. Which would I like well Socialism sadly we need a socialist government first.
Like I say Anonymous, if you can't understand the difference between Chicagoism and Austrian then you can't question the mental sanity of other's.
It is fact. Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty in the last 30 years than any state sponsored socialistic program ever has. Look at Hong Kong in 1945, and look it it today. It was run by statists for three decades, and then it has become one of the most capitalist countries on the planet, and it has a higher standard of living that the Britain of socialist Brown. It has one of the highest standards of living in the world. As does overwhelmingly capitalist Switzerland. Look at the differences between East and West Germany before the Wall came down. I know where I'd rather live. I'd rather live in America than the USSR or Maoist China.
If you read Ludwig Von Mises' book on socialism, he demonstrates why it is economically impossible and morally disgusting.
I demand the right to sell my labour to whom I choose and at what price. I demand the right to CHOOSE and not be FORCED TO WORK in NATIONALISED INDUSTRIES because the state says so. As a filthy, disgusting piece of socailist vermin, would you deny me that right?
I demand the right to keep my money instead of the state stealing it from me in tax. I would rather choose and be CHARITABLE. America is the most charitable country in the world. The USSR wasn't, or Cuba, or Maoist China, or Atlee's Britain. But Reagan's America was. But because you are a piece of socialist vermin, you want to take my money away. If you want that, go and live in North Korea. They'd love you there.
Just to educate you, the Austrian School is a political as well as an economic philosophy. It is anti-war, pro freedom and liberty. They represent the true conservative movement, as it was the LEFT that took America into Vietnam. It was the RIGHT under people like Goldwater who opposed it. So don't even attempt to debate Austrian Schools of Thought with a devout advocate. I will tear your arguents apart as easily as I have done recently.
"as it was the LEFT that took America into Vietnam"
MiniMises
You are an unwell person in the upstairs department.
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It shows the complete lack of intelligence on the Left that they have to resort to childish tactics like that instead of answering the questions. Still, dosen't the entire Left wing coalition across the world share about 3 brain cells?
"Left wing coalition across the world share about 3 brain cells?"
Minimises
Two more then you?.
Minimises
NEVER in it`s history has the USA ever had anything NEAR to a left government.No government has ever been other then far right.What planet do you live on?.
FDR you fool. Or Hoover.
Medically, I have a significant number of brain cells more than the average
You can even see these brain cells each time you take a dump.
At the risk of sounding a little shrill, is this the best the Left can offer as debate? I have provided factual evidence and statistics to substantiate my arguments. They are all on this column for all to see. Yet nobody has addressed them. I have been continually been insulted. Nobody has even attempted to engage in an intelligent and thoughtful discussion/debate with me.
Robert, aside from your lack of knowledge of economics, you demonstrate a dangerous lack of knowledge basic biology and human anatomy. The anus is not connected to the brain stem in anyway other than nerve endings. It is impossible to excrete brain cells. Also, I don't make it my business to look at my future North Sea deposits after visiting the bathroom. It is a most ungentlemanly thing to do. I await with anticipation to see if anyone is intelligent enough to debate with me, but as I deal in facts and socialists deal in smears and opinions, I'm not holding my breath. My best friend is a Marxist, and he treats me with much more respect than you do because we engage in intelligent discussions, and even he acknowledges that he supports an economically unworkable system, he just believes in what he calls ''equality of equity.'' You lot blindly follow this John McDonnell chap, who seems like a decent fellow despite holding some dodgy views, especially the typical left wing drivel about Israeli occupation and his advocacy of nationalisation of the economy. And his belief in anthropogenic global warming is just misplaced. Notice how the state loving, freedom hating Left love global warming because it gives them an excuse to grab more power from business and the people to increase their own power, whereas the small state, liberty loving Right scientifically disagree with anthropogenic global warming because the planet has not warmed since 1998, and the temperature falls last year cancelled out the net rise in temperature of the 20th century. Also, Mars is warming too, and not because of human activity. Any planetary warming is part of the cycle e.g. Medieval Warm Period. Technically, we are living in an ice age because we have ice caps. So, my advice to all you clueless lefties, do some research and get your facts right because until you do, you will be rightly treated with derision and contempt. Blair had to move the party away from the Left in order to get it elected because the Brits do not like socialism.
And Alice Mahon is not the principled woman Mr McDonnell would have us believe. She was a defence witness for the mass murdering Slobadan Milosevic. And don't forget that Mr McDonnell signed an EDM praising Hugo Chavez, a man who has nationalised industry without paying the businessmen and women. Basically he has stolen it. I don't mind him nationalising if the businessmen and women agree a price, but he has just stolen the property. He has had those who oppose him put in prison. Several people who oppose him have suspiciously disappeared, and some have died. Mr Chaves spent years insulting America and George Bush, yet he never refused to sell oil to America, who are Venezuala's fourth largest consumers of their oil. So he is a hypocrite too. He has legislated to keep himself in power despite nearly 50% opposing the move.
Anyone who can support mass murdering dictators shouldn't be allowed to sit in the House of Commons. Mr McDonnell, do you have any principles? Alice Mahon dosen't. Nor do the Labour MP's who signed the EDM praising a hard left thief.
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MiniMises
Like most otherworldly free market utopian loonies you come across like an angry obsessive fanatic.
Perhaps if you toned it down a bit, instead of coming across like a foaming at the mouth fundamentalist zealot people might take you more seriously.
I have to say though that anyone who thinks that economics is somehow synonymous with neo-classical economics, which is one (rather metaphysical) school of economics, is simply ignorant. But hey, there's a lot of it about.
That quasi-mathematical pseudo-science called neo-classical economics founded on evidently absurd notions such as the idea that markets always achieve equilibrium (in some strange mystical and frictionless way that can apparently be 'proved' by means of plotting points on a graph that bears little relation to the empirical, concrete workings of market forces embedded in actual social networks, institutional structures and other social relations) is little more than a bizarrely intricate theological belief system.
Only saying.
I foam at the mouth because I'm sick of people spewing lies about the ''evils'' of capitalism. Why is the Left allowed to be vicious but when the Right responds with equal viciousness we are labelled religious fanatics? Again, as with socialism, it is ''Do as I say but not as I do.''
I happen to back up all of my arguments with statistics and facts. Not one of the people who have attacked me has extended the same courtesy. They merely resort to insults
FDR stopped the depression.
Hoover started the depression in 1929 with tax cuts for the rich.
FDR won WW2 and beat Hitler.
The most left wing president America had was its best president.
Hugo Chavez is no worse than any other leader in South America.
I do not think anyone wants to destroy all capitalism they just want to mix in socialism, and fairness with the present system. An extreme capitalist society is cruel and does not work.
Minimises,
You are obviously a right wing twerp making comments on a left wing website. Capitalism provides for the priviliged few. In this country alone 5% own 90% of all the wealth.TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE
Ken, if Bill Gates walks into a bar of millionaires, one could say he owns 90% of the wealth in that bar, that dosen't mean everyone is poor. Secondly, the figure you provide is wholly wrong. The middle classes hold most of the wealth in this country because of their propensity to invest and save.
Dirty Euro, I have already provided statistics about the Great Depression which you have conveniently ignored, mainly the fact that Hoover didn't cut taxes on the rich, he raised the top rate from 25% to 67%, and he increased spending. FDR merely continued these policies, by upping the top rate to 78% and increasing spending by 47%. Yet unemployment never fell below 14%, and FDR's Treasury Secretary, Henry Morganthau admitted that the New Deal had been a complete failure. If you are going to respond to me, please find some facts, statistics and evidence to substantiate your claims.
Hugo Chavez is a dictator. Opposition protesters are arrested constantly. Some people have mysteriously disappeared, yet the shitbag author of this blog signed an Early Day Motion in the House of Whores praising Chavez, and the shitbag author of this blog also signed an Early Day Motion praising Che Guevera, a man who gloried in killing his enemies, and killed hundreds of people because he said he enjoyed it. That is the mentality of left wing people. It is braindead evil.
A truly capitalist society has never been tried because central banks still have a monopoly of money creation and issuance. Margaret Thatcher did the most to move to a libertarian society, but unfortunately the Bank of England remained.
If any of you braindead shitheads wishes to respond, please do, but use statistics and facts. I will repudiate everything you say all over again, as I have constantly done on this pathetic excuse for an ''independent blog,'' despite the fact Mr McDickDonell follows every left wing stereotype imaginable without thinking about it e.g. the myth of anthropogenic global warming, the myth of poverty in Western countries, the lies told about Israel. He is not deserving of the title, honourable Member of Parliament, and I hope the Tories take his seat at the next election for supporting mass murdering dictators.
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Minimises,
You are a typical arrogant Tory when you are losing an argument you resort to personal petty insults. Let's examine Thatcher's (now that you have mentioned that evil bitch) deplorable record in Government, 3 million unemployed, destruction of Britain's manufacturing base, crime rates soaring, destruction of the NHS and other public services. If that makes me a brain deadshit head I plead guilty you arse-hole
responding to the cynical comments by minimises. I'll tell you why people believe in Socialism and why the ideas set out by John Mcdonnell are the way forward. These are policys that can bring equality to more people that the present failing capitalist system is doing. You say soicialism has caused poverty i ask how? The democratic socialism which Orwell set out in his writings has never been tried. The present system is un democratic and has kept power from being in the hands off working people who have had their industrys destroyed to be honest by bad buissnesses that thatcherism has allowed to flrush. socialism is bringing power back to the people if these simple policys were to be implemented. The present sitiuation off unemployment and people stamping on ther person below in order to line their own pockets is not good enough. Your cynical comments are no help and it not about you minimises its about the future generations who do not deserve to be shackled with this outmoded system you love cause your selfish, with its debt which is caused by captialism and the disgraceful selfish greed. They'll show you and you can not stop what is the way forward and that is democratic socialism.
Minimises you are wrong. You do not seem to take in what I said. Hoover cut taxes for the rich in 1929 the depression started in 1929 with tax cuts by Andrew Mellon. He then reversed those tax cuts in 1932 and by 1933 the economy started growing again. Why do you not accept this? This surely prooves tax cuts for the rich started the depression.
How can increasing taxes for the rich in 1932 cause a depression that started in 1929? When he cut the taxes under Mellon in the first place.
His tax inceases were just reversal of his disastorous tax cut mistake. You do not seem to take this in.
Henry Morganthau said his comment in 1939, the unemployment has fallen bellow 5% by the end of 1941. You cannot cure a depression in a flash.
Hugo Chavez is an elected leader. Also imperialists killed more than communists even in the 20th C. That is real hidden holocaust. Everyone knows Stalin killed millions, but do we learn of who the Belgian king killed or who the british empire killed millions too.
Drty Euro, I have proved you wrong on many occasions. Hoover increased the top rate of tox from 25 to 67% and FDR increased it further.
Ken, if you can read, you'll see I have provided evidence for every claim I have made. All of my answers are backed up by statistics and evidence. Nobody has extended that courtesy to me.
Unemployment hit 3,000,000 because of overmanning and what economists call creative destruction. Trade Union's refused modernisation in the 70's, causing a surplus of labour and a deficit in demand, leading to the massive inefficiencies in British manufacturing. British manufacturing grew by 4.5% a year under Thatcher, more than any other time in history.
Thatcher also increased NHS spending by 1/3. She should have abolished it in my opinion.
Now you brainless bunch of fuckwits, will you answer any of my questions or does your intelligence not stretch beyond your dicks? Can anyone here refute the economic calculation problem as to why socialism cannot physically work. Please, I'd love to see an answer, especially from the dictator loving author of this blog, who also enjoys telling porkies about global warming too.
Minimises Are you trying to look stupid.
Now answer this question.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT HOOVER CUT TAXES FOR THE RICH MASSIVELY IN 1929.
HIS TAX INCREASES IN 1932 WERE JUST A REVERSAL OF HIS FAILED RIGHT WING MADNESS. Why do you fail time after time to take this in. You keeping saying hoover increased taxes, hoover increased taxes. But he increased those taxes to less than he cut the from in 1929.
For goodness sake READ THIS CAREFULLY I know you are too dense for this to get through your thick skull.
HOOVER CUT TAXES FOR RICH IN 1929.
The depression started in 1929.
THEN HE REVERSED THE TAX CUTS IN 1932.
Now I have two questions for do you accept to answer these. Answet these in order.
1. Hoover cut taxes in 1929, do you accept this?
Do you accept his tax increases in 1932 were just a reversal of his own failed policies that started a depression.
Minimises, many thanks for emphasing for my point that you have to resort to petty insults to other people who dare not accept your right wing bullshit that you try to force on them. I suggest you go onto Tory websites and spout your cynical opinions among other like minded arrogant toss pots. FUCKING DICK HEAD!
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