John McDonnell MP: Another World Is Possible

Wednesday, May 23, 2007

Consultation on Future for Left Renewal

Apologies for not blogging over last few days.

My eldest daughter's wedding was at the weeekend and I have been speaking at the PCS annual Conference in Brighton, the ASLEF annual conference in Scarborough and tomorrow I am addressing the POA conference in Southport.

Just to confirm that I haven't gone away!

People have been terrifically kind and supportive. I have received so many messages of support and good wishes it has been really moving.

More importantly the vast majority have expressed real determination to continue the campaign for socialist advance within and beyond our movement. People seem to be confidently bubbling with ideas about what we should do next and how we can move forward. Most have argued that promptly we need to build upon the enthusiasm and large scale mobilisation we achieved in the campaign.

I will publish a brief consultation paper over the next week in order to launch a consultation on how we go forward based upon an assessment of the lessons learnt from our campaign over the last year.

I would welcome people's views and suggestions.

My aim would be to take time in engaging people in as wide a discussion as possible in this consultation but to arrive at an early view on the strategy, structures, resources and programme of activities needed for this Left renewal initiative.

Just when some are hoping the Left has gone away, we can demonstrate our resillience and rank and file strength.

If we can build upon the overwhelmingly successful rank and file mobilisation we achieved over the last year we have the potential fot the most exciting Left initiative in a generation.

Let's get to it.

posted by John at 11:23 PM | permalink |

60 Comments:

Anonymous Mikael said...

Great John!

I think your campaign really has given birth to something new, and for that I would like to thank you.

I will hopefully see you at the LRC confeence in October.

Comradely,

Mikael

11:48 PM 
Anonymous Jon said...

I agree to keep things moving.

I'm not convinced about joining the Labour Party as yet, but i will join the LRC.

As for ideas, i think regional groups are needed to attract and recruit like minded people. I had to actively look for this type of politics, but there are many more out there who haven't look - regional group would make it easier for people to join and get involved and enable many more people to be actively engaged!

Jon

11:52 PM 
Anonymous susan calder valley CLP said...

Absolutely.One of the problems is that many political events/seminars are held in London and that discounts many who either can't afford or are disinclined to travel that far.I have already e-mailed my local Campaign Group MPs and hope to set up something soon. The internet in that sense is a valuable resource. That said, Could I urge as many London-based people as possible to attend the Compass event on June 9, which will feature a lunchtime event led by Labour Left Briefing .We alspo need to get to events like that and tell the centre-left MPs/supporters why they were wrong in not backing John and, more importantly now, why they should work with us in the future.The "comnfort zone" of talking to ourselves is not an option if we are going to grow.

10:26 AM 
Anonymous npm said...

I think our first priority is to engage with the PLP and to bridge the gap between them, the CLP and the labour voters. I hope that news this week is not a sign of things to come : Closing Remploy units; Hodges two tier housing system; bid for no confidence in Hewitt; Home info packs; Junior doctors applications; and I am sure the situation regarding the absconders is a preface to more draconian security measures. These are headlines I would expect to read of a Tory government.

Am reading the history of the labour party: http:\\www.100yearsoflabour.net and can see that Brown is part of the group that wants PLP autonomy as did Gaitskell. Wilson failed on a "wave of working class abstentions and ..a serious, rapid drop in Party membership". If the PLP turns its back on the membership and gains funds from elsewhere then it is no longer the labour party. The current drift to the right and trying to be everything to all people leads to a clinging on to power for power's sake. What are our principles?

Some of the new people who are joining the party would normally join the Tories. Are they here because we are at the moment the "winners" between two right wing parties? Should we be glad about this?

I think we need to educate activists, unionists and MPs – that voting/nominating is not a gamble or a sweepstake where picking the favourite makes you a winner (and I am surprised at how many times I hear that as a reason for selection). Remember that Hitler was the favourite - not that Brown is anywhere near that level of fascism, but power corrupts and absolute power…

11:17 AM 
Blogger Mike Baldock said...

Well Susan, I'm still in the party, hanging on by my moral fingernails...
I think this point :
'The "comnfort zone" of talking to ourselves is not an option if we are going to grow.'
is essential - we cannot just let ourselves end up talking to small groups of like minded people in isolation from reality - there are several other organisations I could name for that!
But we do have to organise party meetings across constituencies boundaries in areas where the left is really weak so that people don't get isolated and discouraged. In my branch we number 2 strong left, a couple not quite there, and several 'old' labour, with the Blair/Brownites dominating all the influence. I'd feel a lot better going to county-wide meetings for the left on a regular basis to build the left again.
But also, we need to get back to the basics of campaigning, street meetings, and getting involved in the sort of community politics that seem to have no place in NuLab but which are the very reason people turned to Labour in the first place.
We need to attend parish councils, residents associations and so on to address peoples concerns and show that the Labour party still cares, and that it is people on the left that are responding.
We also need to get all those unaligned lefties that were tempted to join if McDonnell got on the ballot, and show them there is still something worth jpining - an active and vibrant left within the party - not just outside.
John has shown what can be acheived through his work with the Unions - and which is probably why Brown got too scared to face him - now the rest of us must continue to build bridges into every section of society and get them involved in reclaiming the party...

3:51 PM 
Anonymous duncan said...

I have to say this is all really encouraging. My fear was we'd be hearing lots of stuff about people leaving in despair; instead we're seeing a beginning of something.

4:17 PM 
Anonymous npm said...

There was talk of a new forum.

Can I suggest we split it into sub-forums such as Economics; Foreign Policy; Energy etc. Where we can discuss, from the ground up, exactly how we think the true labour party should and will work.

At the moment we are spending a lot of time keeping up morale - great to hear this but it's much better to get everyone busy building. What do you all think?

Have we got a forum yet? Should I look around and cost it out? Or is something in the pipeline.

4:34 PM 
Blogger George Dutton said...

susan calder valley CLP said...

"We alspo need to get to events like that and tell the centre-left MPs/supporters why they were wrong in not backing John"

Alan Simpson MP said...

"My worry is that [Parliament] has become a comfort zone in which MPs are paid more and more to stand for less and less... Many MPs complain of a government that no longer listens to the party, but they then dutifully walk through the Division lobbies to vote for whatever regressive measures Downing Street asks for. At times I feel that colleagues would vote for the slaughter of the first born if asked."

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article2287029.ece

4:53 PM 
Blogger Kevis said...

The worst thing to do would be to form a new party, this has been tried and tested before and many good comrades have now been pushed out of the public eye.

Comrades, the battle must be held outside of parliament. While the conservatives may have dominated the house of commons for the majority of the 20th century it is clear by looking at the hours we work and the fact a minimum wage is now in place that the left have made the most notable advances.

We must now battle to make further gains for working people and correct the damage done by neo-liberalism. The launch of the new union Unite is an important step in bringing together organised labour in to one massive wrecking ball we call toll against capitalist exploitation.

We must make alliances with others on the left and bring them in to the extra-parliamentary fold.

7:23 PM 
Anonymous susan calder valley CLP said...

George, Alan Simpson is absolutely right. We saw that last week.
That doesn't mean we give up the struggle. We still have 30 socialist MPs. How many have the ultra-left got? The PLP is poxy, a plague on its houses.But the Labour Party still has thousands of great comrades. So I'm staying.

8:32 PM 
Anonymous Patrick said...

npm said:
"Have we got a forum yet? Should I look around and cost it out? Or is something in the pipeline."

I don't think there is, but if we get one I wonder if it could be incorporated into the LRC (or something else)?

There is a forum system called Invision Power Board, but unfortunately it costs a fortune. There are good free services like InvisionFree though, which is like IPB, and having used it for a long time I think it's quite good, although there is a bit of a learning curve to begin with (but there is an extensive documentation to help get started). There are other free services out there, but IF is what I'd recommend.

(BTW, I'm new here, but I did know about the J4L campaign for a while)

9:26 PM 
Blogger George Dutton said...

susan calder
My problems with the Labour party go back all my life (I am 57) the only thing socialist about Labour happened just before I was born. Labour at it`s very best have NEVER been anything more then a centre party till Blair came along now they are a RIGHT party. Around the blogs some say I am far left?. I am just left, I look far left in this NEW upside down world we have. Many people keep telling me that all that has happened is the fault off the left (I kid you not). I couldn`t stay in a party that is doing what NEW Labour are doing. Goes to show how mad everything is...I am disabled and asked my Labour council for help to park outside my house,no chance they didn`t want to know in the end they moved me. Had the same problem they wouldn`t help me AGAIN. I went to the Lib Dems and they got me a driveway put into the front garden. We am so grateful to them my wife and I am going to make a contribution to the local Lib Dems £200. The local Labour counsellors kept blaming each other and some of the officials at the council used to think I was a figure of fun as I would not give up fighting for some help. One phone call I made to the council went like this...Oh dear Mr Dutton that is terrible how terrible for you, it was the way they said it.I didn`t think till I had rang off what had happened. I come across so many in NEW Labour that don`t approve of anything they do WHY Susan why are they in NEW Labour/Labour makes you think why are they in politics???. Just don`t understand the thinking behind it all. They will never change.I could tell you many things about the Labour party Susan many things. Good GOD Susan given money to the Lib Dems...all is lost,all is lost.

10:02 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it does appear that Brown and co. are still living in 97 and think that the left must be badmouthed and denounced as the evil traitors that let down Labour before it was "modernised" under Neil Kinnock and it seems they do actually believe we will now go away with our tails between our legs!! I can't believe they can be so out of touch though I think I heard or read somewhere that Blair hasn't been really reading the press and has become isolated which would explain a lot. This is yet another example of their incompetpence as this has happened before to many political elites if you read the history books and they tend to come to a sticky end!!

Momentum is starting to build up for the Americam Presidential elections now and that will lead at last I think to a proper debate here about the anti-war issue and why our anti-war candidate JOHN MCDONNELL was silenced at the leadership election!

It says in the life coaching book I've got that people don't mind being won over (in life generally) but they obviously don't like being dictated to and so I think that our job now is to win those that Blair/Brown has dictated to round isn't it.

Am totally addicted to The Apprentice but it's brought up a lot of issues about the work-life balance; feminist issues etc hasn't it? too much to write here but two contestants have dropped out (or rather been fired!) due to family issues and it all point sto a shift away from the office haivng to come first above everythign else in people's lives. Today it was reported that MacDonalds is supposed to be very popular with it's staff because of it's flexible shifts; that they can pertty much choose the shifts they want. Not sure how true this is for everyone working there but they do have a point. I hope that the changes that are obviouldy erupting now in the corporate world along with eco-awareness point towards a fairer etc world preparing us for socilaism!

11:28 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we should look to reducing the nomination level to 5% at party conference so this debacle can never happen again. Apparently, 5% was the level between 81 & 88.

If this is successful John should then challenge Brown to ensure members get the contest that they should have got in the first place. Many may cry fowl at this and plead dirty tactics. Well wasn't the tactics of the Brown machine dirty??

Any thoughts on this comrades?

12:20 AM 
Blogger E10 Rifle said...

The point about Brown and co still living in 97 is an important one. For all that they seek to portray us as stuck in the past, the people who actually still ARE fighting yesterday's battles are the New Labour clique. They're obsessed with the defeats of 83 and 87, and the victory of 97. The world has moved on since then.

There's some lessons about presentation I think - sometimes I think we allow ourselves too easily to be defined by what we're against (war, privatisation etc), rather than what we're for (democracy and dignity in the workplace through trade unions, civil liberties, public services run in proper consultation with those who use and work in them, equality, feminism, environmental sustainability, local democracy, internationalism etc)

We should also not drift into too much internecine bitching about what happened last week - which was indeed a cowardly betrayal by the PLP of the party. Which is why I think backing Jon Cruddas for the deputy's job - given what he's been saying about housing and the threat of the BNP etc - is the best bet for the left in this particular, largely symbolic, contest.

But beyond that we need to reach out beyond the usual political suspects and engage the people who agree with what we're saying on individual issues but aren't making that organisational connection to wider socialist values and activism. With a bit of imagination, there's much ground to be won.

12:25 AM 
Blogger Mike Baldock said...

We also need to move on from The War - it's been a strong rallying point amongst the left, but it's relevance to many people across the country is fading, as they face more and more problems and setbacks within the public services and their living conditions. By focussing too much on the war, we risk alienating those people, many of whom will be fuming when Brown's latest budget tax implications start to bite next year.
Yes we have to keep restating that Brown must not invade Iran etc etc, but it is the real bread and vegan margarine issues that people want tackling and which we must be ready to address.

I'm not sure any new forum should focus on issue and policies so much as on tactics and activities. We don't want to fall into the old trap of spending so much time fixating over specific details and interpretations of implications that we neglect the streets. This battle will be won through actions not words :-)

7:36 AM 
Anonymous Mikael said...

Comrades,

This is is to inform you that Duncan and myself have set up a Labour Left Forum, available at labourleftforum.blogspot.com .

If you wish to participate, please leave your e-mail address in the "comment" box of the "welcome" post (it must be the one you use for your google account - if you do not have a google account, please create one in order to join the forum); if you simply wish to comment on the various that we will raise, please feel free (at the moment you need a google to do so, but that will be fixed).

Thank you,

Mikael

8:40 AM 
Anonymous susan calder valley CLP said...

George, where do you live? Don't mean that in a sinister Peter Mandelson kindof way but Iam surprised a Labour council should behave in such a manner.I'm no spring chicken either. have been in the Labour Party since I joined as a tenager in 1976 and yes, it was pretty right then. But left-wing views were accepted and lefties even made it into the Cabinet. Most of us on the reformist wing probably accepted that labour would always be a broad chiurch but at least in the 1970s we got our voices heardand had the NEC for checks and balances. By and large , Labour was moving to the left. Since 1997, New Labour has quashed dissent and basically taken the leftist democratic centralist model and used it for their own ends.
However, there are many good Labour councils and I'm surprised your overall experience of the Party is so negative.Even New Labour managed SureStart, minimum wage and so on,
e10 rifles, think you hit nail on head. More positives, much more going out beyond usual suspects. Brown is now deliberately using terms like "far left" ( ie stereotype of heavily bearded swivel-eyed crackpot demagogue) to discredit us. Hilarious in a way.But it must be countered.
At least this campaign has for posterity the one and only leadership debate which Brown condescended to do. If possible,that should be circulated, sent to CLPs , trade unions - The Leadership Debate We Never Had - something like that.
On Cruddas. yes theoretically.But I'm not sure I can because I loathe duplicity.
On the logic he applied - the person most likely to win. Well, that's probably more Hlary Benn, who is infinitely preferable to Blears/Harman/Johnson.I will think about it.....

11:05 AM 
Blogger E10 Rifle said...

"We also need to move on from The War"

Spot on. Of course we need to carry on opposing it and doing what we can to show support for those suffering its hideous consequences, but we can't make it our main rallying cry forever. I think that was Respect's mistake - that the disparate range of people who opposed the war could form the basis of an entire political party.

12:25 PM 
Blogger George Dutton said...

Susan I live in Gateshead.

You mustn`t have been watching the TV the other night about how disabled people are treated?. There was a program about a couple with two VERY disabled children on and they couldn`t get help. This problem is WIDESPREAD Susan. Now NEW Labour are going to start and take Disability Living Allowance off disabled people,cut their income support,they have employed a company called UnumProvident to do the dirty work for them. This company has been found guilty on charges of fraud in the USA (read links). I became disabled in 1999 and had to fight to get DLA in the end I had to go in front of a Disability Tribunal to beg for help. They all said I should never have been turned down in the first place but the system is made so that people have a hard time in getting help.You should see in the forms they make you fill out the way it is all done it makes you cry to go through all of it,for many they give up but thats the idea that is what NEW Labour want them to do. In my case I had the X-rays to prove my disability that will not stop them from coming back to get me but first they will deal with people that have mental problems (read links).You have to remember that NEW Labour have to pay for Trident and the London Olympics that money must come from somewhere.Oh yes and MPs' Expenses.

I wonder are UnumProvident only going to paid when they take someone off DLA and cut their income support???.

http://www.compassonline.org.uk/article.asp?n=563#comments

http://tinyurl.com/ynnhxs

http://tinyurl.com/3xvqx6

12:42 PM 
Anonymous npm said...

Mike Baldock - not issues and policies.

Mike, a lot of the feedback from the PLP was that they felt that the left's manifesto is unworkable and couldn't be afforded, that the union rights would stifle development etc etc.

We do need to refine these ideas and create the strong argument to bring those with the nominating power to the table.

All this can go on in parallel with getting out on the streets and garnering support but let's not forget the foundations.

1:25 PM 
Blogger Mike Baldock said...

npm - fair comments, but I suspect that if John's plans had proved to indicate we could cut taxes by 10% and that the employers were demanding increased Union rights, the majority of the PLP wuld have still have found something to complain about instead of nominating someone other than Brown...

Yes our ideas do have to be discussed and refined, but I'm not sure a forum is the place to do that - threads get confused and lost and good ideas from people who have trouble expressing themselves in words get missed.

Perhaps a website with a different set up would be an idea - where papers and suggestions can be left for others to discuss and consider, with feedback specific to those papers logged to them?

Or do fancy forums allow this anyway? I'm not too IT savvy tbh!

1:34 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To me, it is essential that John constructs the widest possible support for his ideas and the wider value system of socialism, etc and does not wholly concentrate on ‘building the party, There are just too many many people like myself who just can’t bring themselves to join a party which has acted this way and introduced such draconian acts as the Welfare Reform or the other attacks on disabled people that george cites above.

In fact, the way to renewal of the left to me lies in fighting for and with those at the bottom against such policies:, the vulnerable, those in poverty, the disenfranchised, etc. In many areas, much of the left and wider civil society has been negligent, leaving people to fend for themselves. For example, there have been no left wing campaigns to protect old people living in care homes, facing abuse and neglect, no campaigns for those in the private rented sector, who face corrupt and often abusive landlords. No big marches and campaigns for the numerous young people who are dying in prison, often taking their own lives at painfully young ages. Instead the left has almost fetishised cultural issues such as the veil or conducted endlessly protracted marches ‘against the war’.

Imo, any new left project has to move away from 19th century ideas of the 'worker' and go back to basics: Fighting for those at the bottom: those on sink estates, those on benefits or pushed into low skill New Deal programmes or minimum wage.Unfortunately this is sadly often anethma to many on the left, who largely ignore these concerns (tho not JM) as they are not ‘part of the programme’ or in some cases just don’t know what life is really like. Of course we should also assert what we are for, as JM has done in his new pamphlet(still haven't received it though!)

frenetic, posting as anon as your software wont let me post

6:05 PM 
Anonymous h i said...

so many issues here but first of all the PLP are deluding themselves with that old chesnut that our programme is unaffordable as Andrew Neil also tried on John on the Politics Show once, as New Labour have wasted so much money on PFIS etc etc; paying doctors over the odds while cutting nurse pay and so on!

I must also to say that while I was pleased with the service I recieved from the out-of-hours that doctor that recently came to us (see my post above) I remember now that he had a pass saying "Harmoni" and I think he was probably a semi-privatised part of the service then so not so good! There was a discussion on PM about the whole out of hours service and it's failings/successes today on PM; I couldn't hear all of it but this is yet another area where New Labour have at least partially misspent as it would have been cheaper not to mention often better care to stick with the original arrangements in some areas at least.

10:01 PM 
Anonymous h i said...

re: above posting I've just watched the news for the first time today and found I had missed the first part of the discussion on out-of-hours services i.e. the woman that actually died from I think it was blood poisoning as part of post-op complications as she was told to ring an out-of hours doctor rather than refer back to the ward where she'd been and every time she rang they treated her as a new case and just tided her over till morning when her usual GP was supposed to take over her care. Actually I remember now that when I saw my GP yesterday after my son had been nebulised as he had had breathing difficulties on Saturday night I had been told by the night doctor my GP had been informed but he hadn't seen it till I mentioned this and so he quickly clicked on to the relevant part of the notes. Ok I hadn't had a problemn since then (but he is ultimately responsible in the way that if you have "shared care" as your materenity care it means that you are actually under your GP not your hospital consultant despite the fact you may have many hospital appts and that's why some GPs have been against home births if they don't want to be called out or don't want to be responsible; as with things like unaccompanied asylum-seekign minors somebody has a "duty of care" but it's not always clear who it is but you have to get the case far enough down the line that it gets to that respnsible person as if it dosen't it can all go very pear shaped) as I was just there for a check up for the baby. I was mostly there because my other child was also ill and it looks as if both of their symptoms have in fact been caused by a virus not asthma or whatever but if the wheezing had continued into the morning I had the night doctor had told me I should go though casualty and that the child might have been admitted for a day. If I hadn't had another child asleep when the original problem occurred in the middle of the night I'd probably have gone straight to casualty anyway (I'd have had to call an ambulance if no-one to drive me) as I know from when the out-of hours doctor had to come to me when my back seized up and immobilised me while I was pregnant that the night doctor can take a while to arrive though in the baby's case the night doctor actually said they would come out as they would tend to with a child you would suppose; I didn't actaully ask in that instance but I would have done had it been bad enough or gone to casualty though of course like most people and I suspect the poor woman that died I only go there when I feel there is no other option which will get the patient seen when there should be but I remember that PM did say that there has been a large inrease in people going to casualty instead of using the out-of hours service or NHS direct -so think what that's costing New Labour -and the care is not necessarily better and there is the obvious high risk of misdiagnosis over the phone despite the fact that they triage you etc. As with many things with New Labour it's all right if you can work out how to work the systemn as I did really when I went to Casualty once at 7.30 am with severe sciatica. I would have preferred to go to a GP as although it was very painful and if it had been a weekday I would not have been able to look after my children if alone, I knew it wasn't life threatening but it had been waking me at night (which is a sign of quite sever pain) and that night I had had it since it had woken me at 2.30 am and that's five hours so I couldn't take any more but had tried to wait till everyone was starting to get up. I knew my doctors is closed on Saturday mornings and that I could have a long wait if I went through NHS direct and so I went to Casualty (which was empty at 7.30 am on Sat!) as I knew I needed painkillers although I wanted to get to an osteopath and take natural remedies etc as soon as poss but that would also take time to organise and for them to work probably so I didn't have much choice there and then on a Saturday. If it had been a weekday I would have tried to get an emergency appointment with my GP first and then if necessary rang NHS direct and put Casualty third I think though I have gone straight there for a child's head injury. When the child was discharged after a night in the children's ward we were given information giving us "priority" for readmittance for the children's ward if complications occured and I'm suprised that the lady who died was referred to a contracted out GP rather than the ward on the case of complications but of course whoever she was referred to should have been responsible and there were clearly terrible failings here when they weren't but it is a shame that she went along with the systemn and didn't jsut call an ambulance or go to Casualty even if (at the time) her pain was not yet excruciating) as she had tried ringing them for three days was it before she was finally admitted and so sadly died but how is she supposed to know that?? It's like the time when my Nana who was frail herself had my Grandad on the floor with a bad turn and couldn't help him up etc so she managed to phone her doctors and got the out of hours ansaphone which gave her an emergency doctor's number to phone but she thought she wasn't an emergency (!)being of the generation that were in awe of doctors and fo rwhom it was imperative not to make a fuss about things but to be stoical I suppose though she was totally wrong of course as of course it was an emergency. Anyway she had to wait for a while until she could get hold of family who lived forty minutes drive away when she should have either just phoned for an ambulance or if she could have at least got through to a human voice (this was before NHS direct and anyway she had called her local GP surgery) they would have been able to send one or whatever and taken over for her. My Grandad did get better at the time though he had to have home carers after that incident. (They are both deceased now but not due to that incident but I shudder to think what could have happened). We forced my Nana (who was reluctant having always been independent I suppose!) to get one of those helpline necklaces once my Grandad died which does get you straight through to a careline which will help if the elderly person has a fall etc though she was still loth to wear it and we put a phone by her bed etc but I think she still had it in her brain that you phoned the doctors surgery if you were ill; fair enough as that's how it had always been for her for eighty odd years! What I find with New Labour is that their systemns are too complicated and not everyone particularly the elderly and other vulnerable people are going to be able to work the systemn to their advantage.Also think of their school admissions; tax credits etc etc all complicated systemns that many cannot access and so they fall through the net creating an unfair advantage for those who can. This is not what we as the Labour party are about and it is not going to help the old, sick, young disabled, socially excluded etc and what they don't seem to realise is that sooner or later we will all or the majority of us without high incomes anyway or at least one of our relatives/children etc will fall into one of these categories and so their policies will start to bite as Thatcher's did so to speak. I think the other reason why Brown did so well is depressing but true in that unfortunately as the people with the power in our society are usually what you might call middle class with means and neither usually very old or young they probably haven't yet been affected enough by New Labour's policies if they aren't working in the public sector/have already got a mortage or whatever or haven't got any elderly relatives or whatever but surely they must be a dwindiling band now as New Labour alienates section after section of society e.g. people on low pay with few trade union rights who are bullied and/or overworked and so on and so forth but unfortunately many of the changes are insiduous rahther than in your face in the way of the Thatcherite repossessions and redundancies. I remember when under the Tories just about everybody's Dad and eventually my own at school was made redundant it seemed and as my Dad was the council surveyor I knew that the council had been made by the government to build only some council housing so they had to sell to some of slightly better off potential tenants at a reduced rate and still 9 out of 10 of the houses were repossessed as really these people didn't have the means to buy their own houses at all even at the lower rate and they should have been housed though thatcher had stigmatised social housing for them by now - yet in Germany a student can still get a council flat though they complained about the three month wait when they were trying to study my friends there but luckily their degrees are spread over about five or six years so they can earn while they learn and they could manage to travel in a long way in from home while waiting for a flat as their finals wer so far away. However in Germany if you Istudy say Physics you pretty much have to become a physicist or whatever career fits the subjec you've chosen so there's more choice here.In Spain I believe you have to go to your local uni and if that dosen't work out that's it you've had your chance so you have to go abroad as happened to a friend of mine. They also have foundation hoispitals already ther and they are apparently not good.I wonder if New Labour looked into the experiences of countries other than their beloved US when makign their unpopular policy decisons - it dosen't sound much like it htough they may have looked at Scandinavia. Anyway why New Labour are continuing with these failed Tory style policies is a mystery to me. You don't have to know everything about the structure of our public services to see where they are going wrong and just a small dig below the surface is enough to reveal the real story and that is what the left does (and trade unions); it tells you what is really happening you can check it out for yourself all and the evidence is stacking up in front of our eyes such as the poor woman who has died from the incompetence of her PCT and PCTs are basically the same as the discredited Tory fundholding systemn for anyone who dosen't know. I do know about this as whilst temping I and two and a half (I mean one part-time!) others were sent to Hillingdon hosital for three and a half months to sort out the administrative mess it left behind (so that was public money being paid to a private sector emloyment agency to pay us) in preparation for the new PCT systemn. "How will this PCT system be better and different?" we temps asked the full timers and they explained it and it's basically the same principle of buying in services of course but administered differently to cut a long story short; you didn't have to understand the ins and outs of it to get the point. You also saw working in hospital admin the waiting lists to get on the waiting lists - literally - as so that the governemnt could achieve it's often pointless targets and so on.

And now Margaret Hodge has ideologically committed a gross actof political indecency as well - is there no end to New Labour's corruption?? Basically as we all know but for anyone tempted to follow her BNP like line everyone legally living here whether "immigrant" or not has an equal right to housing and asylum seekers also because if we were to refuse this we would have to pull out of the UN 51 convention on refugees and we would bascially not be a civilised and democratic country any more so we do have a duty of care to house asylum seekers while they are here. That's basically the long and the short of it; housing has to be allocated on the basis of need not how long someone has been in the country. It's also better if asylum seekers are housed within the community like anyone else;; when I lived in Germany I saw how the local asylum seekers in my village were tut-tutted about for hogging the payphones nearby their hostel to phone home which I would have thought was reasonable myself if you are in a foreign country - I often phoned from a local payphone if my landlady was in and I wanted to call home etc privately and it was simpler to pay with a phone card than work out our house bill anyway but I was only one not a group so no-one noticed anyway. I also felt my they were rather talked down to and seen as not very intelligent etc at the local English evening classes which many of them attended and I sat in on with my landlady to help as she was the teacher but I picked up from her how they were seen by the locals and unfortunately rather by herself. I later met a Kosovan refugee who was a friend's boyfriend and I was really shocked at the bad state of repair of his flat above a pizza place despite the fact that the rent was just as high as anywhere else in Germany; it was much worse than anyone else's I met even though I had a lot of Polish immigrant friends there but of course they weren't asylum seekers; it was quite shocking to see that anyone lived like that in Germany still and they told me this was common for asylum seekers as it can be here also I know such as the cockroachy flats in Edgeware Road; there's no doubt that asylum seekers can be discriminated against in so called civilised Europe including here and Margaret Hodge must be well aware of the can of worms she hastaken out of the Pandora's Box New Labour opened when they forst played the race card; which it gives me no pleasure to report one of my Uni politics lecturers predicted in one of my final year British politics seminars in 1994-5 it must have been before they took power and all of the students in the seminar saw that unfortunatly he was probably right and so it has come to pass. It would seem that the resentment people should feel towards New Labour is being diverted into racism and also diverted by the climate change issue which si of course worthy but it seems they will use anything from this to gambling to put us off the scent! My later German flatmate was watching some fascists in East Germany rioting on eevening back in 1994 when I came in and when she saw me she said "Ich schaeme mich, Ich schaeme mich" (I am ashamed) over and over again she was apologising to me as a foreigner in her country - now it's us that should be saying this if this rascism and discrimination carries on and Nick Griffin is delivering flowers to Margaret Hodge's office.

Must invite the Mirror's anti-rascist bus to Wycombe which is getting very rascist -even a BNP candidate recently stood (lost) in Flackwell Heath and I know that there was lots of it in West London during the last general election as I canvassed there and it had got worse than when I was living there and resentment of the Iraq war was also high.

so I think we should go big on domestic policy /housing need etc etc and we have a "summer of discontent" coming which we can align with but I think we have ot also we big on the anti-war issue as will the American progressives as it will be the only issue that decides the Prsidential race which will start hotting up in the Autumn with the exception actually perhaps of race issues; health care etc with Barack Obama standing, who could be the first black US President or Vice-President perhaps splitting the ticket with Hillary Clinton which it may come to; unfinished business over Hurricane Katrina; Michael Moore's new film etc etc and Bobby Kennedy Jnr's I htnk it is's writings on the environmental threat and Al Gore's film on same issue. I think the Bush right wing dosen't stand a chance as these sort of isses are the future it's already been seen a couple of years ahead as it always is if you look at where the movers and shakers are at politically now; what they're writing on etc and as things become more international on the think global - act local theme we will be caught up in the slipstream of this anyway whatever the Brown/Blair lot try to do now just as the new Unite union here will hopefully have more power as a superunion and strenghten its' interantional links and I predict (through my crystal ball!) that in eighteen months time our present politics will seem parochial as well as outdated.

Must look in Old Moore's almanac which I only get for a laugh but sadly it predicted "more of the same" for this summer's UK politcs and sadly that's what we've gto with Brown; perhaps next edition will predict left's success!!!
I know that left MPs do fight against things like elder abuse

I do know that left MPS do fight against things like elder abuse and explotative landlords through their constituency casework and on a policy level in Parliament and many if not all are (often very active) supporters of camopaigns such as the Defend Council Housing campaign which fights for council housing rather than people beign at the mercy of bad landlords/housing associations not equipped to deal with "neighbours from hell" and things like the campaigns of pressure grps like Shelter and Help the Aged and form All-Party Parliamentary groups to tackle these issues on a community and policy level.

Though perhaps we should have more of a Jesse Jackson style "rainbow coalition" of disadvantaged groups though this really what John already does really as he already has links with everyone from the Global Women's strike (who for one thing support wages for housework instead of military spending -yes please- and have many good and well thought out policies on things like the right to breastfeed as well as the more commonly known ones such as abortion rights etc) to the NAAR and so on and so forth.

Afraid I have written an essay and lost track of the time and I only logged on to explain that I hadn't heard about the women who died due to the falings of the out-of hours service when I wrote my previous blog and then I thought I would tackle some of the very good points raised in the above blogs relevant to the direction we should all go in now. A certain "guvnor" I know gloomily said that if we didn't make the ballot paper it would be a defeat for the left but I say only in the deluded eyes of New Labour! We have to take the advice of the life coaching books (sorry to mention them again!) that there is no such thing as failure only a treasure trove of opportunities to be found as we learn from any mistake and we musn't spend any time feedling bad about ourselves but simply look for the (probably even better) solutions that are waitng for us down the line. For a start we could challenge the pomposities that Brown and co are political "heavyweights" - here's a few ideas

soemtimes you have to promote the worst people to get rid of them

all of these ministers once sat in a moribund ward meeting in someone's kitchen spouting off what was probably a load of nonsense as to what they would do if they were in charge i.e. a minister etc.....!

apparently Blair won't want to go back to being just an MP as life as a "glorified social worker" (BBC) is not for him - what is he doing in politics which should be public service at the end of the day then??

Anyone can be an MP and we could all have a stint at it (the late Tony Banks)

ok the New Labour lot have got some Ministerial experience but a) they are C**p to use the vernacular at it and B) most MPs if they are doing their jobs properly will always be in contact with ministers over constituent's casework and various policy issues so the backbencher's work is not o so different from their and many Ministers are sent to depts where htey have little or no previous knowledge of the subject area....and most MPs sit on Select Committees etc though John for one was made by New Labour to sit on the "boringest" ones to keep him out of the way of more important things

as Jilly Cooper once wrote " Any idiot can sit on a Board" (she meant a Board of management but you get my drift. If the Blairites start saying the left can't hack it at Minsiterial level i.e. form a government and they are incompetent and inexperienced they should a) look at their own dismal record b) stop sounding like the Tories who also say everyone is incompetent but themselves...and c) read the Life Coaching books which point out that sometimes you need less "experience" but fresher ideas.
Wes really need to root out all the snobbishness and " we know bestness" and challenge it on it's merits and then we'll see where we are. I heard that Blears who is all over shop on health of course adn I thought was going to lose her seat over it maybe had the gall today to speak of the problems of people in the real world!!

As we said in the immigration cases I did while working for the "poison chalice" dept (Home Office to youMs Blears)

we are NOT SATISFIED with New Labour and it's removal should be ordered and it's not condusive with the public good!! Sorry that sound like a rant!

But seriously we should all just ask ourselves whether we are satisfied with New Labour (and things like having to choose all the time between the lesser of x evils such as perhaps with the deputy leadership election) or whether we could not without this particular elite do the governing of this country a whole lot better. If I was Barack Obama a ot of inspiring words would now follow - I have read his emails and they have got some very clever and inspiring speecwriters over there but perhaps not quite the thing for a "down to earth" UK audience - or do we have any international bloggers out there??

I did hear Hillary Benn speak out about ending the cyncism that's now in British Politics and there is the Cruddas line which APPEARS to be left but I am not making any comment on the deputy leadership now apart from what I've already said that the left should have had a candiate if possible. Anyway it's done now but no more crises of confidence please anyone; we have to be "bigger" than New Labour as the Americans would say if we are to beat them and we must no longer apologise for ourselves as that is cowtowing to their terms. ( I don't mean behave like their party staff at conference etc who feel they tell us "mere mortals" what to do with impunity yet who get quite nasty and/or upset i.e. get really humpy with anyone who DARES challenge them (perhaps humpy was bad word choice, sorry, sorry!). They just can't stand it if you just make your point without loads of politeness and social niceities ( I don't mean you should be rude quite the contrary but they just can't cope if you don't speak their language as you will also notice with the speakers. I think this is wrong as my opinion as a member is just as much entitled to be heard as is the Prime Ministers even though I (unfortunately not today anyway!!!) am not making the final decisions on a policy. I'm sure I did read or hear somewhere that Blair hasn't been reading the press etc properly so has been in his ivory tower for ages - he certainly couldn't cope with the questions thrown at him by last year's TUC audience for instance bu the tv reports often cut the scandalous bits of things out and they didn't even televise the whole Brown/Meach/McD debate - this must def go out on internet nothing like an "underground" canpaign as it would be valid for people to see it before our next bid as someone was calling for. WE should entitle it "The debate they didn't want you to see" or something.
I also read somewhere that Brown is very thin skinned. I wonder if that means his aides etc have not let him quite realise just how closely he is still identified with Blair's failed policies. I got his election address - we should have had a full memberhsip list that case on a point of democracy too. His "renewal" slogan was/is crap as apart from politcally being quite frankly a lie it sounds like an initiative the Catholic Church once did called "Renew" and so identifies in my mind with religion which is prob not wise.

latest Priv Eye has v bad article for left by " Backbiter" slagging us off for not having a candidate and much worse or is the whole thing an ironic joke? I'm not that up on Prv Eye tho recently they have been brilliant on the failures and pointlessnesses of New Labour' privatisations etc and they did do a big picture of John and article when he orginally stood as leaders so what is going on??? (esp re: Northern Ireland think time has come to publish your Guardian article (explaining your real position on this not press propoganda) from several years back on the website John to stop any more inaccuracies; you could always sue them for libel and taking your words out of context don't forget!

2:55 AM 
Anonymous cat lover said...

nb. q. has Gord B got a sense of humour ??

can he take it if his aides have to tell him things he dosen't want to hear??!!! (such as he owes lottery money for the syndicate!! or much worse things such as he should get more/less publicity...!)


I was emailed by a friend re: Hillary Clinton choosing her campaign song from a list of ten (don't know the result yet,might be I'm a Believer (monkeees) apart from Red Flag (and I've "My Way" on the odd occasion!)of course can anyone think of a more modern song for s when we do our next "world domination" bid or just for the left generally

Hillary also had "Get Ready" (Temptations) "Right here Right now it think and things in this vein in her list of ten


to start you off some probably really cheesy psuggestions perhaps

"I am the one and only" sung by !'Chesser Hawkes' but written by Nik Kershaw wasn't it?

Indestructible by Four Tops ......

3:27 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is noticeable that comments to the last two postings here have become less pessimistic.

This is good John's probable 15% in the electoral college and the 22% of actual votes ((250,000) that would have brought that figure about is a significant block of opinion.

What needs to happen next is a mechanism to communicate with that wider group. It probably means avoiding having too many saturday conferences where the predictable 300-500 "regulars" turn up to practice their rhetoric and make their usual speech. Instead the building up of regional and local networks. Much of this can be done on-line through a combination of blogs like this, facebook groups and yahoogroups. Therefore what is first needed is a "Computing for labour left" (a sort of left CFL) to bring all the people interested together to start creating online left social networks that consciously reach out to a wider group of people.

In reaching out it also means people will need to justfify their political positions much more rather than all nod in agreement or just blame it on new labour. This does mean setting out out how any left programme would be affordable and non-inflationary as well sustain a reasonable degree of stablity in a global economy.

Its no use arguing for lots of worthy ideas for new services if all it leads to is yet another one term Labour government.

The fact that the current government is on its third term and is only 2-3% behind the Tories in the polls mid-term does mean Brown could win a fouth term. I suspect in the next few weeks there will be a lot of fact finding trips to see how Bertie Ahern has achieved a government that will now last a minimum of 15 years.

A large number of Labour members will compare a stable government that has lasted over 10 years with previous ones that have recklessly spent for two years before having to tighten belts. They will see any left economic programme in a similar light unless one is fully costed.

That means making choices between priorities not just between left and right policies, but almost certainly between left proposals.

It almost means developing a left pledge card of just 5-6 pledges rather than a long shopping list and pleases all the regulars.

What are the 5 left pledges?

3:31 PM 
Blogger grimupnorth said...

Anonymous, Gordon Brown costed John's leadership manifesto at £46billion. As John pointed out ( to a stony-faced brown) that was £30billion less than Trident! ,My blog has links to lots of left sites - a new one has just been set up called Labour Left Forum. You can source them if you click below.....

5:27 PM 
Anonymous Mikael said...

Thanks for the publicity, Grim!

In case your message didn't get get through - there's a new site called the Labour Left Forum. You can access it by clicking on my profile.

7:13 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

£76 Billion over how many years?

The problem with assuming Trident will pay for a whole raft of other policies is that it's annual as opposed to its lieftime costs are actually a drop in the ocean in an already existing 500 billion a year public spending round.

Responding to Brown in that way may get a few claps from the already converted but isn't a credible alternative strategy!

10:31 PM 
Blogger George Dutton said...

Many that come on here will spend hours reading what this site has to offer. How little (if any) some things have changed. Click onto the newspaper then you can read it.

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/redclyde/redcly194.htm

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/index.html

11:23 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just noticed on the Gordon Brown website there are a large minority of comments condemning the fact there was no contest between himself and John.

Just show's how this campaign has spread through the party and movement. Interestingly comments are now 'closed' on Gordon's site. Wonder why that is then?

5:28 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm wondering why seeral of my comments never appeared at all...

10:35 AM 
Anonymous h said...

if you haven't already seen it the economic side of John's policies i.e. how we would cost everything is on the LRC website. See in particular http:/www.lr-c.org.ukuk/news/pressreleases/2007-03-20.asp

www.l-r-c.orgt.uk/LEAPMar07.pdf

you can read LEAP's "The Red Paperss" on the site. These are the LRC's economic policies formulated in consultation with The London School of Economics; they are much more detailed thatn the stuff Gordon Brown churns out! (At least I haven't yet looked at his website so I was referring to his election leaflets; speeches etc but I suppse I must check his wensite to check out the compettion.

We should ask why he is spending so much of the party and public's money and ungreenly wasting so much fuel etc on his tour if he's to be leader by coronation anyay??

a point I meant to make ages ago - we could all out our CLP location along with our blog names as Susan does as she is a councillor and following CPLD's idea of everyone getting to know each other to for networkign purposes but on the other hand on a safety/security issue people should be aware of giving out too much information on the internet I'm always reading

1:45 AM 
Anonymous h said...

party conference (end September)_ visitors forms deadline is 9 June and delegates one has alrady past but you can do late accreditation

we need to have lots of like minded pepole there and not just let the Brownites run the show!


TUC conference is week before

1:48 AM 
Anonymous Red flag and a Guiness said...

deputy leadership debate on Newsnight was interesting tho I was fighting sleep so didn't hear every point properly!

who is John backing and why should go on here!

we were going to do the pledge ards weren't we even though ironic; also Ken for Mayor had them and they were sucessful along with the badges. Remember the Let Ken Stand campaign - we should have had Let John Run (and we shoulkd have had an endorsement from Ken even though he is no longer an MP and a few leftie comedians such as Mark Steel wouldn't have hurt either; I don't mean then have a Blair style love-in/reception with them every five minutes once we finally get into No 10!!

We must also run a campaign to put the pride back into choosing public services which includes beoing MPs and indeed the PM/deputy PM as a vocation. Need to ban those teacher training course which justo go on about the salary for a start as they are not attracting the right people or giving the right impression to the kids.

11:36 PM 
Anonymous joe f said...

i dont think john is supporting anyone as he said all along the deputy leadership contest was irrelevant so it might be considered hypocritical to throw his weight behind one of them now.

If you're interested, of the other 22 socialist campaign group members, the split is:

cruddas- 10
benn- 7
hain- 4
harman- 1

12:21 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An indication of the nature of the beast as it were, a very interesting quote from Paddy Ashdown's diaries.found thanks to another blog

Gordon Brown, quoted in the Ashdown Diaries...

"“You have accused us of being a bunch of control freaks. Well in a way that’s what we have to be because we don’t have an identifiable aim which is ideologically based: because there’s no core idea to hold the party together in tough times we have to use discipline instead.”

Source: Ashdown Diaries, Volume 2, 2nd December 1997.

5:01 PM 
Blogger John Wiseman said...

Dear John

Please do me a favour. Support Cruddas and after the deputy leadership we need to discuss a few things with compass and the lrc on where we go now. I feel the Meacher factor was the real reason.

Anyway keep up the fight

John Wiseman
St Helens South and Whiston CLP

6:59 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All,

Check this link out of the latest YouGov poll:

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/labmember.pdf

I know it is now conjecture but it says that if a contest did take place between Brown & McDonnell, John would have had 18% of party members and 26% of TU voters.

What a huge shift behind a left candidate. Just from one or two days televised coverage of our campaign would have taken away so much support from Brown. Astonishing!!

Great times to be part of the Labour left. Remember the Kinnock/Benn contest of 88? Tony unfortunately got less than 10% of the vote. Here we are with a left candidate with over a quarter of one part of the electoral college. Yes, it is an outside bet, but perhaps he could have done it!!

4:52 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imo, I'm not a Labour party member, but i do believe that the disgraceful denial of a leadership election and specifically of the opportunity for JM to challenge Brown will be seen as an event of some political significance.

Having see JM speak (and act) on a number of occasions, i have no doubt he and his ideas would have resonated not just with the LP electorate but with a wide swathe of the british people tired of spin, lies, inequality and wars.

7:47 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the above, people are tired of spin and lies. having been exposed as a liar and a cheat in the leadership nominations I am amazed that john mcdonnell thinks he has any place in 'socialist advance'. time to stand aside for someone less egocentric please.

1:49 PM 
Blogger Jackson Jeffrey Jackson said...

What is Socialist Advance?

10:49 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats happening?, we need to maintain the momentum, the soft left
Compass(plenty of ex Blairites in there) are having their conference on saturday, as is Soundings in late June, whats next folks....

4:54 PM 
Anonymous h said...

Labour Left Briefing magazine which supports the campaign will be the Compasss conf tomorrow with a stall and a fringe mtg (or "breakout session" as the agenda lists it there!). Their aim (apart from selling this excellent magazine which you should all read of course!) is to broaden our base to others on Labour who are disillusioned with what's being going on with Blair and Brown in power but don't attend the 'lefter' gatherings. So it should be a good opportunity to get our message to a wider Labour audience. I won't be there as I've got to go a school event and a gig over the weekend but I would think it could be worth going if you felt like trying to spread our message to a wider audience and also to check out/spy on teh competition!!though it may cost a bit to get in; will check with leaflet upstairs in a mo. What I find with the soft left is that they often know exactly what's wrong with the government's policies and the country generally but don't actually don't do much constructively to solve these problemns; they have a good old moan but won't stick their neck out or even just take uncontroversial direct action when needed or of they do take action the message of it dosen't reach the right people or is ignored. However this sounds like I've totally given up on them which is far from the case and I know many of them are engaged on direct action at the moment over the NHS; PFIS in schools etc so what I really mean is that we need to work with them somewhat; make them see we can get results if we band together and therefore eventually see New Labour off. We need to make the links anyway but we also must most urgently challenge Gord Brown's attempt to portray the left in his own party as the "far" left which a) he knows perfectly well they aren't and b) we are not still in the eighties elections/97 as has been said before Gordon! I received the email askingnfor questions for his hsutingd today so could submot one though they may ignore it - but on the other hand Blair had quite a drubbing at last year's TUC and if we could just even get one or two questions in and it get's picked up by the media.......just don't know if it's worth the time. If anyone can attend the hustings in London on 16th in London it would be better to go and try to put your question from the floor; there's an email goen out today to Labour members explaining how to apply to there. If not there's the Morning Star conf next Sat which will be a must and the RMT Cuba Garden Party coming up (see Morn Star for details or online). Is it me or is the Star much easier to get now as it's even in my local Waitrose wheras quite recently it was so diff to get I thought I'd better move to somewhere leftier like Brighton where it is available in most local newsagents without ordering. It is also online but cheaoer to buy day by day and I really think it should be billed as the "real" news (along with Briefing of course!) - so biased can the mainstream quality press be most of the time these days.

If you want to know what's on get hold of a copy of the above paublications or also Socialist Campaign group news for listings. They all have websites or the paper copies are available at left-leaning events.

Obama is one of the twenty Bono Vanity Fair covers wheras none of the other Democratic Pres candidates are I think. I heard on CNN just a tiny bit that they have had questions on the war/anti-war issue though that day it was mainly a debate or relgious topics apparently (I just switched over at midnght or so so didn't get much info) but they point is is that America is having the anti-war debate amongst it's candidates most certainly - yet we have 1) no democratic debate on leadership of our governing party and therefor 2) no debate on worldwide and domestic issues from the war in Iraq and the current MIddle East and Putin - Bush hostilities to the breakdown of public services and increase in racism here to name but a few....!!

That's enough blogging for a Friday nite it's prob been corrupted by me singing along to Suggs (gotta deal with that eighties and other periods of nostalgia.....never!) as I write anyway.

That reminds me that there will be something going on in the Left Field events at Glastonbury see www.geoffsezblogspot.com ; also for what Blair has done to the NHSand the resistance we can put up

12:37 AM 
Anonymous h said...

a plague on LPIS for "nominating" Gordon Brown; also other socialist societies who should have known better! see your deputy leader booklet which came today and look at the way it's set out which underlined the total whitewash that is the Brown coronation. Obviously he feels invincible knowing that none of the deputy candidates are any threat to him on their own even Cruddas though I think think we will have to all vote for him with perhaps Hillary Benn as second pref at least to stop the likes of Blears. She came second to Cruddas in the Mirror Q and Q surprisingly as people thought she was in the real world and down to earth as she spouted about housing need or something (what planet are they on tho they picked up Cruddas good points as of course they all want a change from Brownite agenda and he was hte best on Iraq war etc etc of course to thier perspective. It's just that second and third preferemces count and they think it will go to third or fourth pref so be careful not to give any prefs to Johnson Blears Hain etc I would. But of course before anyone moans I will just say VOTE however much you feel like spoling the ballot paper as we all do as even Cruddas votedfor the war and nominated Brown for example so you can't say he has true intergrity like John or you could also say he wasn;t clever enough not to be hoodwinked by Blair over the WOMD

Geoff Martin also writes in Briefing by the way

you can find out what John McD does in parliament if you sign uo to theyworkforyou.com which emails you whenver your chosen MP asks a Parl Question etc

12:58 AM 
Anonymous Ellee said...

I'm glad to see you are keeping your blog going too. The wedding must have been a proud moment for you.

I am currently studying for a PR postgraduate diploma and have chosen to write a research paper on MPs blogging. I would be very grateful if you would complete a survey I will be issuing shortly, would that be ok?

10:11 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John's YouGov poll result at 18% was better than his earlier scores and he should pleased with that. The 18% was better than the combined McDonnell/Meacher voter of 15% and in a 70% turnout of members would have been about 25,000 members of the 140,000 voting.

The 26% share of the vote, on a 30% turnout of the 2.5 million affiliate members would have been 195,000 votes in that section

This shows the audience that is out there. However it is has to be reached for.

John is almost certainly NOT doing as well as the Benn/Heffer campaign in 1988 because the vote then was totalled by CLP's and not by individual postal votes. At that stage most of the left supporting Benn was actually against OMOV votes - one assumes no one is arguing for that any more?

From the evidence of the half of CLP's that were leading the way in favour of OMOV at the time, Benn was polling between 25-33% of the vote. My own CLP which conducted such a ballot had Benn on 27%, with Heffer polling much lower as quite a few people voted Benn/Prescott.

McDonnell's poll of 18% broadly reflects the social changes in Labour membership since 1988. Over half of the current membership have joined since that date and whilst almost certainly holding more socially liberal views are more sceptical of the economic views that Benn in 1988 and John in 2007 put forward.

John has done a lot of work on economics (the LEAP stuff is a major advance on the kneejerk certainties of the past) but more work needs to be done. For example the move towards arguing for a land tax is much more important for the future than the almost minimal amount of money the symbolic argument for a 50% income tax top-rate on the highly mobile super-affluent would achieve.

However far more work needs to be done in this area in the coming years especially as radidly advancing technology inevitably drives public expectations of "personalisation" of public services - which it should be noted is a far different issue than the outdated uber-Blairite mantra of "choice" which as Brown himself stated in his 2004 SMF speech will always work badly due to lack of time, a requirement for significant spare capacity as well as information assymetries.

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